Curse

bpphantom · Dec 03, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.

Hrm, it was cheaper for me online vs brick n' mortar.

Snow Bunny · Dec 03, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

The promotion was put out at around the same time as EotN was offered in the online store. This was to promote usage of the online store, in that ANet could roughly gauge usage of the online store, in addition to directly adding more cash to their own pockets. It's not that much of a coincidence that EotN was offered at the same time the BMP offer was up.

If you purchased character slots to qualify for this, then yes, it's perhaps unfortunate, but you can't blame ANet for that. They never stated the BMP would be a large expansion, but said that you would get to experience several more important parts of the store.

Shawn The Divine · Dec 03, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Halc yon

Why then, if you knew you wanted it, did you not start a petition sooner?

All I saw advertised were a bunch of fail pve missions I didn't care about, and some 'unique rewards' which for a free promotion I figured would be some stupid Gwen related green all the carebears who were obsessed with her could put in their HoM.
However it turned out to be tons of weapons with skins better than anything found in eotn, which you can get for 10mins work. If they would have advertised that, I would have actually bought eotn, and the bmp. Of course I also didn't think eotn was worth it at the time anyway, as the preview made it clear it was just a huge pve grindfest.

I still don't care about the bmp. I'd be happy with the weapons not being customized so I can buy them.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Shawn The Divine

All I saw advertised were a bunch of fail pve missions I didn't care about, and some 'unique rewards' which for a free promotion I figured would be some stupid Gwen related green all the carebears who were obsessed with her could put in their HoM.
However it turned out to be tons of weapons with skins better than anything found in eotn, which you can get for 10mins work. If they would have advertised that, I would have actually bought eotn, and the bmp.

And this also shows the basic mistake of the approach A.net/NC followed.

The idea of the "surprise".

Sensible people are not willing to spend money for a "surprise".
Everyone who buys something, wants to know exactly the product he/she is buying.
Especially if the purchase is more expensive than the prices practiced in other shops.

The surprise turned apparently good, but it could have been crap and in this case we would have threads full of disappointed customers.

Customers don't pay "surprise money".
They are requested to pay a well defined amount of bucks.
And because of this, sellers have the obligation to describe clearly what they're selling.
This is the fundamental principle of any commercial relationship.

Otherwise, if I buy a "surprise product", I want to have equal opportunities and make a "surprise payment".

I put my money in a box, the seller puts his surprise in another, we swap the boxes, and I can receive a good or bad surprise, and the seller may found less equal or more money than he requested.
It's a 2 way gamble, and not a one way as it was for the bmp.

AuraofMana · Dec 03, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Look people, sometimes in life, opportunity only comes once. You missed it, too bad. When you fail in GW, you are whining to Anet. When you fail in life, who do you whine to?
Stop complaining about what should of happened and offer solutions THAT YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO YOU. The world doesn't revolve around you and life doesn't always go your way. The BMP is released and the promotion was gone a LONG time ago. It is over, LET IT GO.

Loviatar · Dec 03, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

And this also shows the basic mistake of the approach A.net/NC followed.

The idea of the "surprise".

Sensible people are not willing to spend money for a "surprise".
Everyone who buys something, wants to know exactly the product he/she is buying.

i was informed of exactly what and the exact price of it.

i bought GWEN at the online store at full retail price skipping the box i love and paying 11 dollars and pocket change over the local discount including the local tax

i did that to qualify for the bonus MISSION pack with unspecified extra reward consisting of 4 described missions.

burns yur shorts doesnt it that i got it for the missions and honestly dont care about the wonderful surprise weapons box that never emptys

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Customers don't pay "surprise money".
They are requested to pay a well defined amount of bucks.
And because of this, sellers have the obligation to describe clearly what they're selling.
This is the fundamental principle of any commercial relationship.

GWEN at an exactly named price

i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.

nutrition express just included a free shaker bottle as a promotion to my last order at no charge for spending XX dollars on a product

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Otherwise, if I buy a "surprise product", I want to have equal opportunities and make a "surprise payment".

you did not buy the BMP you bought something else with an exactly named price and described as well

VanDamselx · Dec 03, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.

I'm not confused about this. But youve given no reason, seeing that my point is that it shouldnt of been online only. Do you listen at all anywhere?

Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.

I honestly couldnt give a crap about your sympathy pal. I didnt ask for it so dont raise yourself.

How does buying extra character slots that one will never use to get it (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?

And saying that its no fun if you know what one of the skins looks likem is as ridiculous as saying a movie's no fun because it has a teaser trailer.

Your analogy about the country only applies to those who planned to buy it in the online store. What the poster was saying that most of us decided to go to the online store to get GW:EN for the sake of the BMP. Why won't those people ever get to use those character slots? Oh that's right, they can. They just choose not to. They did buy character slots to qualify, and however one chooses to qualify is their own prerogative. If they decide not to use those character slots then fine, they bought the BMP and got 3 free character slots.

I don't know how I could give a much clearer reason that the reason it was available online only was to encourage use of the online store. How the hell do you not comprehend that? Would anyone use the online store if it came in the box? Hell no. I wouldn't have either. A-Net makes more money going through the online store, it's as simple as that.

Don't call me pal like a tool, either.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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i was informed of exactly what and the exact price of it.

i bought GWEN at the online store at full retail price skipping the box i love and paying 11 dollars and pocket change over the local discount including the local tax

i did that to qualify for the bonus MISSION pack with unspecified extra reward consisting of 4 described missions.

burns yur shorts doesnt it that i got it for the missions and honestly dont care about the wonderful surprise weapons box that never emptys

GWEN at an exactly named price

i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.

nutrition express just included a free shaker bottle as a promotion to my last order at no charge for spending XX dollars on a product

you did not buy the BMP you bought something else with an exactly named price and described as well

This confirms even more what I said. Word by word.

You didn't buy GWEN.

You bought GWEN and the BMP.

If you wanted only GWEN, you would have bought paying 11 dollars and pocket change less in the local discount including the local tax, and with the box you love and you had to give up.

You paid more because you bought the product GWEN+BMP, which is different from GWEN+BOX.

Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.

And is also counterproductive for the seller itself, because with more information would have been possible to increase the sales, convincing the more reluctant about the advantages of what they were offered.

Loviatar · Dec 03, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.

wrong as right here is the description of the product i *bought*

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The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history.

Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai.
Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars.
Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta.
Finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.

that is what i considered worth my choice. the missions

i considered that specified content worth the CHOICE i made to accept the terms of the ONLINE STORE PROMOTION

thus it was an informed purchase not a gamble as the specified content was what i was after

that something nice was added extra did not influence my decision in the slightest.

they could have stated no loot of any sort will be given with the BMP and i would still have gotten it because............I WANTED THE DESCRIBED MISSIONS

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 11:56 PM // 23:56

So now you say that you bought the product GWEN+BMP because you were well aware of what you were buying, whereas in your previous post you wrote:

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i did not buy the BMP that was a promotion tossed into the box at time of shipping whatever product you bought.

Please decide.

Killy D · Dec 04, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

I don't regret not getting it. So I miss out on some missions and weapons, sure the missions might have been fun and all. But if people are crying that they didn't get it when it was on offer then I have to ask, why?

There is plenty of other stuff to do in Guild Wars, if you don't like it then stop moaning and playing, or just get on with it and enjoy the game as Anet intended it.

Yes I agree that they maybe should put the pack up for sale again in the future, who's to say they will or won't? The people that ordered GW:EN via the online store, got it for "free" so to speak. So all in all, they could make more money by putting up again in the future. This debate could go on forever, both pro's and con's on either side.

On the one hand, players that have been playing since the start or near enough *such as me* feel a bit abused that we have to dish out more money, despite our loyalty, when it could easliy be a free update without hurting the pocket of Anet, the other side is, "I have the money to do so, so i'll order some stuff online and get that pack to."

It doesn't really matter to me, and it should really matter at all, it's just a game, and games are meant to be played for fun, so lets keep it that way!

Loviatar · Dec 04, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

So now you say that you bought the product GWEN+BMP because you were well aware of what you were buying, whereas in your previous post you wrote:

Please decide.

there is nothing to decide.

i was going to buy GWEN

i was given the choice of where to buy it between 2 stores

same product but one had a higher price than the other and usually i go for the cheaper price all things being equal as an informed buyer.

however in this case all things were not equal as they were having a promotion that included an item i wanted and after consideration i purchased the specified item at the higher store price.

i also received the specified promotion bonus item i wanted as specified

to my very happy surprise they included an extra special addition to the expected bonus as well

Sea Edge · Dec 04, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

This confirms even more what I said. Word by word.

You didn't buy GWEN.

You bought GWEN and the BMP.

If you wanted only GWEN, you would have bought paying 11 dollars and pocket change less in the local discount including the local tax, and with the box you love and you had to give up.

You paid more because you bought the product GWEN+BMP, which is different from GWEN+BOX.

Then you say you were expecting only the 4 mission, and the rest was a surprise.

Well, this means you were not well informed of what you were buying.

You didn't know the product, as well as all others who decided to buy, and as well as others who decided not to buy.

Exactly what I said in my post.
Lack of information from the seller turns the purchase into a gamble.

And is also counterproductive for the seller itself, because with more information would have been possible to increase the sales, convincing the more reluctant about the advantages of what they were offered.

Your logic fails.

GWEN price under the promotion was 39.99 USD in the online store. Now it's 39.99 USD. Character slot price still 9.99 USD. So the cost of the BMP was exactly 0.

Gli · Dec 04, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Abnaxus is right. We were asked to spend money many of us wouldn't have spent otherwise, to obtain something of uncertain content and quality.

That was a gamble, and I feel I lost out on it. The BMP wasn't worth the money I spent on 3 (still unused) character slots.

pumpkin pie · Dec 04, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

Look people, sometimes in life, opportunity only comes once. You missed it, too bad. When you fail in GW, you are whining to Anet. When you fail in life, who do you whine to?
Stop complaining about what should of happened and offer solutions THAT YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO YOU. The world doesn't revolve around you and life doesn't always go your way. The BMP is released and the promotion was gone a LONG time ago. It is over, LET IT GO.

this is a game. for fun, if it is possible everyone wants to have fun away from the harsh reality of life... seem to me lots of people don't want other people to have fun.

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Life is not always fair, so get on with it.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

this is a game. for fun, if it is possible everyone wants to have fun away from the harsh reality of life... seem to me lots of people don't want other people to have fun.

You didn't bother to read Anet's reply upon this matter either.
Yet do you claim that it is lots of people that don't want others to have fun.
You are a n00b.
My opinion, if you like it or not.

Sub Frost · Dec 04, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Regarding BMP, played it a couple times, got 1/2 weapons for heroes, and that's pretty much it, don't really understand the "BMP TO OTHERS? NO!!!! IT'S MY TOY!!! MY PROMOTION!!! MY PRECIOUS!!!" and hope Anet releases another promo soon that gives a chance to the people that didn't got it the 1st time.

pumpkin pie · Dec 04, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Mineria

Life is not always fair, so get on with it.

You didn't bother to read Anet's reply upon this matter either.
Yet do you claim that it is lots of people that don't want others to have fun.
You are a n00b.
My opinion, if you like it or not.

Dear Mineria, I already have the BMP X2, bought for both my accounts. on the second day the BMP was announced too, thank you very much.

I know Anet already reply to this matter, however, on this forum, every time, players who do not have the BMP ask Arena Net to please make the BMP available again, somehow people got clobbered with words like noob spelled with weird characters, and sarcasm and what not. That is why I say lots of players don't want people to have fun, this is a situation very easily converted to accommodate those that have not yet gotten the BMP, players petition for it, do you see support? NO, they got called names. And players try with full-force to prevent the "re-selling" of BMP, so why is that? if its not trying to make other players not have fun? Hence why I said what I said in post #275.

If it is not because you don't want other players to have fun and filled your sadistic needs, why, tell me please. I am curious, Are you possibly trying to uphold justice? Are you possibly trying to help Arena Net not go against their own words? Are you trying to help these players who did not get the BMP save money? please do tell me? because I cannot think of a reasonable explanation to not want Arena Net to make the BMP available again. There is no harm what so ever. The only thing I see from the BMP being sold again is it will strengthen Arena Net financially and ensures that this wonderful game will continue to be free to play!

Abnaxus · Dec 04, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Sea Edge

Your logic fails.

GWEN price under the promotion was 39.99 USD in the online store. Now it's 39.99 USD. Character slot price still 9.99 USD. So the cost of the BMP was exactly 0.

This would be right if the online store was the sole source to acquire GWEN.

Instead there were alternatives.
Except for someone living thousands miles away from every retailer (maybe a castaway in a island with only a pc and a satellite connection lol), at the time of the promotion it was possible to choose between buying GWEN+BMP online, or GWEN+BOX at retailers.

So, the product sold online by A.net/NC during the promotion was GWEN+BMP.
The product sold by retailers was GWEN+BOX.
These two products were in competition. Customers were asked to decide what to buy.
And a lot of them in this forum said they accepted to pay more for this GWEN+BMP product than they would have paid for the GWEN+BOX product in their closest retailer.

Everyone in this forum, from both sides, agreed that Anet/NC followed this commercial approach to encourage players to buy GWEN online in their store rather than from retailers.
They did this offering online a different product, which was GWEN+BMP.

After October 31st, they changed the product sold online.
Now the product sold online is GWEN only.
The fact they price the GWEN-only product at 39,99 USD the same as the GWEN+BMP product during the promotion is irrelevant.
What really matters is that the product in the store is different now.

The conclusion is:

The cost of BMP was not 0.
Customers who bought online paid for it. Paid because there were alternatives to buy GWEN, and they regretted those alternatives in favour of the GWEN+BMP package.

Mineria · Dec 04, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

I think a lot of people here would love that others could get the BMP.
But you have to see it from both sides, not only what you think is right.
If you followed the announcements made by Anet, you would have seen that the BMP was made as a promotional offer to get via buying things from the online store.
If you then look at the costs of creating it, and calculate it, so you get the actual price at a retailer, where the price covers that Anet gets their part.
You will see that we are talking about a price that only very few will consider to pay for it.
And only half of them will actually buy it.
Anet may offer it in some way via the online store in one or another way, that is their bussiness.
But they will not offer it via a local retailer, since they just wont be able to sell it for the right price.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

If it is not because you don't want other players to have fun and filled your sadistic needs, why, tell me please. I am curious, Are you possibly trying to uphold justice? Are you possibly trying to help Arena Net not go against their own words? Are you trying to help these players who did not get the BMP save money? please do tell me? because I cannot think of a reasonable explanation to not want Arena Net to make the BMP available again. There is no harm what so ever. The only thing I see from the BMP being sold again is it will strengthen Arena Net financially and ensures that this wonderful game will continue to be free to play!

No at all.
What you posted sounded stupid, so i made a stupid reply.
I called you newbie, since you are saying that a lot of people don't want others to have fun.
You shouldn't be offended by it though, since there isn't much in it.

As for the BMP, if you read the whole thing Gaile wrote on that other forum, you will see that offering the BMP at a retailer is out of question.
Since it would cost way to much that way.
As for offering it again in the online store, that is up to Anet if they will or not.
But at the end of the day, they need to make some cash.
So that would back them up if they choose to sell it again, wouldn't it?